Longer Motos

For the online portion, how about paypal? Setting up othg as it was a store? Then you just log in and apply for a race, fill out the race sheet info, than pay on line with credit card.... Cut off time being 24 hours before, so the sign up sheets can be collected from the internet.
It will be great for the regulars, which make up for large portion of the entries.
Just a thought. I could look into it and see if it is viable....
Franck 239

Nice

I don't mean to play the devil's advocate, but I feel that I must just to give us all a sanity check...

Pre entering for local races would be great, but for me as a rider, what is the motivation for doing this?  On the nationals there is a clear motivation for pre entering (i.e. better gate pick, better value, etc.) and yet we still do not have 100% pre entering.  Doing this online presents another hurdle for those who are not computer literate.  If you look at the number of people that actually visit the boards and contribute to the polls, it's a small portion of the total membership.  My feeling is that you would only get the same guys who would come to the races anyway.  Even still, the idea of pre entering is great...the problem is just getting enough participation to make it worthwhile.

As far as timed motos, we've done that on and off over the years.  I can remember one year where all the classes did 20 min motos at Starwest.  I'm betting you non jumpers would be digging that!  ;D

Keep in mind that the idea of longer motos should be a "goal" but not necessarily a "guarantee".  As I mentioned before, there are a lot of factors involved.  For instance, one of which is rider safety.  When extreme weather conditions prevail (i.e. high heat, high winds, rain/mud, etc.) you may need to adjust the lengths of the motos accordingly.  Even the pros do this.  But even without the weather as a factor, some riders will just push themselves beyond their limits of physical conditioning.  The longer your moto is, the closer you get to having this happen.  At this point these riders are not only a danger to themselves but to the others around them.  As always, we want everyone to come home injury free.

Another factor in this is doubling up with other clubs.  With times like these, you can expect this to happen more and more often.  Right off the bat, teaming up with another club will force you to come up with compromises that works for everyone.

So even though the idea of longer motos is simple and sounds great on paper, it's not always that easy to make it happen when you hit the track.

Jeff

PS: But don't listen to me, I've never been the race director before!

Jeff, that makes a lot of sense.
I was just putting an idea out there, just to make things a little easier, and you are correct, not many are computer friendly, and even trust online accounts.
I will keep on trying to find a system that can be entered online and manually as well.

(Long Motos.....)  ;D

Hey guys, I just wanted to mention that I'm not trying to be negative or shoot down any ideas...just trying to list some of the potential factors.

Jeff

PS:  The Turkey GP is coming up...guaranteed long moto!!!!!   ;D   I'd better see all of you guys on the line!    😉  🙂

A very "politically correct answer" Mr Hamblin

You board guy..

OK? the motivation to mail in , $5.00 off entry, the reason would be to streamline the events that lead up to a race schedule. Then practice could go off on time leading right into the program. Of course the "days situation" would dictate the length, and it would be up to the individual if he or she was up to the second moto or was able to stay. I don't think with a well organized program it would make the day any  if much longer. Sometimes you can't make it out to the races or only have time for one moto.
Sharing a track with another club or weather would of course be considered, your not the "devils advocate" Jeff you just get on board the CAN DO train with me  ;D

Chucky

Well, as far as the mail-in strategy, I don't think that would fly.  This was my first time dealing with the national entries and I can tell you some horror stories about some rider's entries that got lost in the mail system...and can you imagine mailing in for every local race?  No way!  Too much hassle on everyone's part.  I'd take the online system before that.  The entries would have to be post marked about a week in advance to make sure they get there on time, and then you would still get the "but I dropped it in the mail!" come Sunday (could get ugly).  For many of us, racing is a game time decision.  Like I said, without a significant amount of participation, you will only be giving a discount to the same number of guys that could count on anyway.  That's not going to help the club much.

Just trying to be practical here...

Jeff

My 2 cents...
The online could work with paypal. It is instant and gets sent to a specific email address, and it's done. The money is transferred on the back ground, no deposit to do. It may be the least amount of overhead. ( Not to mention not too worry about carrying cash around)
Not sure about giving a discount for on line entries; maybe a discount if you buy 4 races on line...
It would reduce the work at the track for that day. We may get up to 50% of the people pre registered... It could work.

I don't trust the mail, and it puts too much stress on the receiving end.
We live in a computer era...

Franck 239

Support your local postal worker  😉

Chucky

I didn't know sign up was an issue, this year the scorekeepers are ""WAITING" for practice to be done, so they can score the first race.

As far as lap times, I had Dean time a few races and the Novice class on Saturday and the Novices were  turning  around a 2:30 to 2:35 lap time, they went six laps, I'll do  the math on that for you, (15 minutes)

I'm all for addressing issues, let's just address issues we actually have............... shall we?

Real close to 3/4 in favor  ;D better than  🙂

I like how a lot you guys are digging my idea about the timed motos.I'm hearing a lot you guys wishing you had one more lap. I feel the same way. Last weekend I was on the rear wheel of a guy in two of my motos and wish I had that extra lap. I think we should at least try it. If it goes well we can try the time plus 1 lap. What can it hurt ? Its time this club tries something different.

Spot on Eric, if you go 15 for Beginners, 18 for Novices and Intermediates 20 for Expert and Masters you'll get about 1 to 2 minutes added to that (depending) on the track.

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Yeah that sounds good chucky i was thinking the same thinng. But also i would take in for consideration on the how the track will change through out the day. In other words if its a track we know is gonna get tore apart quickly i may not add the extra lap as a safty thing. I wanna keep the riders safe and yet still have a great time out there racing with there buddys. I believe to make this work we just need to stick to a tight agenda such trying to make sure practices start on time and ends on time. I know there are some lolly gaggers who like to try and fit in one extra lap during practice "such as myself guilty as charged" haha then i think we can make it happen . It would be nice to have some more input from other riders in each class to see how they feel about the time frame as you mentioned "15 beg, 18 nov/int, 20 exp/masters "plus 1" if track is permitting.

can we race 1 lap, 10 min break start second lap 10 min break etc, I'm all in for longer motos.  😀 😀 😀 😀

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